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		<title>By: Lifelong Learning una porta oberta vers la certificació dels aprenentatges no formals i informals &#171; Implicacions socials i culturals de l&#039;e-learning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifelong Learning una porta oberta vers la certificació dels aprenentatges no formals i informals &#171; Implicacions socials i culturals de l&#039;e-learning</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] el context laboral, on segons alguns autors com Jane Hart &amp; Jay Cross, comentats en el blog de Harold Jarche , l&#8217;aprenentatge es dóna per 5 estadis: 1) Formació presencial. 2) Formació en línia [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] el context laboral, on segons alguns autors com Jane Hart &amp; Jay Cross, comentats en el blog de Harold Jarche , l&#8217;aprenentatge es dóna per 5 estadis: 1) Formació presencial. 2) Formació en línia [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Callahan</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/the-networked-enterprise-and-learning-support/comment-page-1/#comment-198736</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 10:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay – I didn’t realize it was focused on LMS.  I think the Workscape title is what throws me off.  The graphic shows 1 node (LMS) within the network but your workscape is broad.  LMS being 1 node is from Harold’s earlier post http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/ (makes sense to me).  

T&amp;D is also just a node in the network too. I think you have all implied this in some of your posts, let me know if you think I’m making the wrong connections.

Jane says “what is needed is an organisational system that SUPPORTS and ENABLES this informal approach to learning.”

I agree and think of system as the “integrated whole” (many of the concepts from each of your blogs) and not just tools &amp; technology.  I realize Jane’s article was focusing on a LMS but think that it could be interpreted as system=technology in the statement (maybe she does mean that, I’m not sure).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay – I didn’t realize it was focused on LMS.  I think the Workscape title is what throws me off.  The graphic shows 1 node (LMS) within the network but your workscape is broad.  LMS being 1 node is from Harold’s earlier post <a href="http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/</a> (makes sense to me).  </p>
<p>T&amp;D is also just a node in the network too. I think you have all implied this in some of your posts, let me know if you think I’m making the wrong connections.</p>
<p>Jane says “what is needed is an organisational system that SUPPORTS and ENABLES this informal approach to learning.”</p>
<p>I agree and think of system as the “integrated whole” (many of the concepts from each of your blogs) and not just tools &amp; technology.  I realize Jane’s article was focusing on a LMS but think that it could be interpreted as system=technology in the statement (maybe she does mean that, I’m not sure).</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 20:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I suspect that “after” is going to resemble a giant hairball.&lt;/i&gt;

Just like real life today, only faster ?

The thing is ...  regardless of the design and features of any given LMS (or other &quot;X&quot;MS), people always turn to each other ... for validation, for answers, for framing issues, to get connected to the next possible source of info, etc.

It&#039;s  a hairball-ish process now, even though it&#039;s supposed to be manageable and managed.  It&#039;ll be hairball-ish afterwards as well, no doubt ...  but I am willing to bet that people will somehow or other get better at finding and learning what they need to understand and know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I suspect that “after” is going to resemble a giant hairball.</i></p>
<p>Just like real life today, only faster ?</p>
<p>The thing is &#8230;  regardless of the design and features of any given LMS (or other &#8220;X&#8221;MS), people always turn to each other &#8230; for validation, for answers, for framing issues, to get connected to the next possible source of info, etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s  a hairball-ish process now, even though it&#8217;s supposed to be manageable and managed.  It&#8217;ll be hairball-ish afterwards as well, no doubt &#8230;  but I am willing to bet that people will somehow or other get better at finding and learning what they need to understand and know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 00:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis, indeed, good points, but it helps to understand the origin of this model. Essentially, Jane was trying to demonstrate that after a while, LMS will diminish in importance as social software comes to the fore. I tried to capture that aspect with this graphic: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4587117006_24e38e036a.jpg. 

Today I finished reading John Hagels&#039; and JSB&#039;s new book, Pull. They see the world as I do. We are going through a phase change. It may be more useful to describe it as before and after rather than evolutionary. 

I suspect that &quot;after&quot; is going to resemble a giant hairball. 

jay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, indeed, good points, but it helps to understand the origin of this model. Essentially, Jane was trying to demonstrate that after a while, LMS will diminish in importance as social software comes to the fore. I tried to capture that aspect with this graphic: <a href="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4587117006_24e38e036a.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4587117006_24e38e036a.jpg</a>. </p>
<p>Today I finished reading John Hagels&#8217; and JSB&#8217;s new book, Pull. They see the world as I do. We are going through a phase change. It may be more useful to describe it as before and after rather than evolutionary. </p>
<p>I suspect that &#8220;after&#8221; is going to resemble a giant hairball. </p>
<p>jay</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 22:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Shouldn’t workscape stages show how the organization is adapting from a learning and working point of view rather than how T&amp;D has changed its approach?&lt;/i&gt;


Yes.  The design of work that takes into account connections, flows, nodes of expertise, etc. is a critical piece of this / these emergent model(s).

Thanks, Dennis, for pointing that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Shouldn’t workscape stages show how the organization is adapting from a learning and working point of view rather than how T&amp;D has changed its approach?</i></p>
<p>Yes.  The design of work that takes into account connections, flows, nodes of expertise, etc. is a critical piece of this / these emergent model(s).</p>
<p>Thanks, Dennis, for pointing that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 22:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points, Dennis. Yes, it should be looked at from a work/management perspective. Guess I better get back to the workbench ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points, Dennis. Yes, it should be looked at from a work/management perspective. Guess I better get back to the workbench &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Callahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 22:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all interesting conversation. Here are some of my thoughts after reading this post.

The 5 stages model seems limited to the T&amp;D point of view.  If the point is from the T&amp;D view, it feels like it needs to be broader.  The stages feel more like “Learning Approaches that T&amp;D has used to deliver &amp; facilitate to the organization over the years”.  

If learning=working and vise versa, it seems like work and the organization should be represented in the model beyond top down/bottom up.  Shouldn’t workscape stages show how the organization is adapting from a learning and working point of view rather than how T&amp;D has changed its approach?

I like your statement “Every node in the networked enterprise is unique but the network itself is even more important. Social learning is how we get things done in networks”.   I agree -  social learning is happening at each of the 5 stages and not a specific stage.  Maybe the Social Learning Stage means the use of social media type tools for learning.

Thanks for keeping the conversation going…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all interesting conversation. Here are some of my thoughts after reading this post.</p>
<p>The 5 stages model seems limited to the T&amp;D point of view.  If the point is from the T&amp;D view, it feels like it needs to be broader.  The stages feel more like “Learning Approaches that T&amp;D has used to deliver &amp; facilitate to the organization over the years”.  </p>
<p>If learning=working and vise versa, it seems like work and the organization should be represented in the model beyond top down/bottom up.  Shouldn’t workscape stages show how the organization is adapting from a learning and working point of view rather than how T&amp;D has changed its approach?</p>
<p>I like your statement “Every node in the networked enterprise is unique but the network itself is even more important. Social learning is how we get things done in networks”.   I agree &#8211;  social learning is happening at each of the 5 stages and not a specific stage.  Maybe the Social Learning Stage means the use of social media type tools for learning.</p>
<p>Thanks for keeping the conversation going…</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 14:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Biggest lesson from my graduate studies: Communities ignite learning &#124; Adventures in Corporate Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biggest lesson from my graduate studies: Communities ignite learning &#124; Adventures in Corporate Education</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] the formal learning into perspective from a practitioner&#8217;s standpoint? Harold Jarche has a great post about this where he discusses how social learning is really the way we get things done in knowledge intensive [...]</description>
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