Comments on: LMS is no longer the centre of the universe http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/ Life in Perpetual Beta Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:59:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Does An LMS Actually Manage Learning? | Upside Learning Blog http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-254474 Does An LMS Actually Manage Learning? | Upside Learning Blog Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:15:26 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3903#comment-254474 [...] viewed, will it survive, etc. You can read some interesting posts around these questions here – LMS is no longer the center of the universe, What is the future of the LMS?, When to LMS, A case for the LMS?, Why bash the LMS?, A Defense of [...] [...] viewed, will it survive, etc. You can read some interesting posts around these questions here – LMS is no longer the center of the universe, What is the future of the LMS?, When to LMS, A case for the LMS?, Why bash the LMS?, A Defense of [...]

]]> By: Snow Tiger http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-201714 Snow Tiger Sun, 27 Jun 2010 08:02:09 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3903#comment-201714 I liked the way that the assumption tripped lightly off John's tongue: "I am assuming here that there’s near-ubiquity in the provision of registration, tracking, measurement, aggregation of data for performance analysis purposes". Of course all companies want to promote useful informal learning (if it's not at the cost of productive work), but the real Holy Grail is finding a demonstrable link between what has beeen learnt by an employee and performance improvement. Or should we also promote performance evaluation (which means salary increases) based on data from social networks? I liked the way that the assumption tripped lightly off John’s tongue:
“I am assuming here that there’s near-ubiquity in the provision of registration, tracking, measurement, aggregation of data for performance analysis purposes”.
Of course all companies want to promote useful informal learning (if it’s not at the cost of productive work), but the real Holy Grail is finding a demonstrable link between what has beeen learnt by an employee and performance improvement. Or should we also promote performance evaluation (which means salary increases) based on data from social networks?

]]> By: Cactus Acide » » L’observatoire du neuromancien 06/01/2010 http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-199938 Cactus Acide » » L’observatoire du neuromancien 06/01/2010 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:31:22 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3903#comment-199938 [...] Harold Jarche » LMS is no longer the centre of the universe [...] [...] Harold Jarche » LMS is no longer the centre of the universe [...]

]]> By: The LMS – Will It Survive? | Upside Learning Blog http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-199670 The LMS – Will It Survive? | Upside Learning Blog Sat, 29 May 2010 04:15:16 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3903#comment-199670 [...] It seemed the LMS was under fire recently from many corners and questions were being raised about its very future – Jane Hart recently posted what is the future of the lms reviewing the useful of an LMS, followed up by a similar post by Harold Jarche suggesting the LMS is no longer the centre of the universe. [...] [...] It seemed the LMS was under fire recently from many corners and questions were being raised about its very future – Jane Hart recently posted what is the future of the lms reviewing the useful of an LMS, followed up by a similar post by Harold Jarche suggesting the LMS is no longer the centre of the universe. [...]

]]> By: Neil Hopkin http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-199056 Neil Hopkin Mon, 17 May 2010 22:02:45 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3903#comment-199056 See RIP LMS at http://neilhopkin.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/r-i-p-vle-lms/ See RIP LMS at http://neilhopkin.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/r-i-p-vle-lms/

]]> By: Holly MacDonald http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-198809 Holly MacDonald Wed, 12 May 2010 20:24:07 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3903#comment-198809 There must have been something in the air...I wrote a similarly themed post in my blog recently: http://sparkyourinterest.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/am-i-peddling-frustration/. I'd be curious to know what you think. I think that the situation is that you know and I know these things, but those making decisions in orgs want to a: solve problems or b: make it look like they are solving problems or c: have something to spin to show that they are solving problems, regardless of whether they are or not. So, they become victims to good sales people who can not only sell them a solution, but also show them that their competitors are also using the LMS, so they should too. Nothing lights a fire under the C-suite like a competitor getting a one-up. Maybe that's your angle? As a pragmatist, I just accept that the LMS will be there and try and figure out how to help the organization do the rest of the stuff (and I minimize the role the LMS plays). Is it right? Probably not, but at least I no longer grind my teeth all night long over the fact that they just don't get it! There must have been something in the air…I wrote a similarly themed post in my blog recently: http://sparkyourinterest.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/am-i-peddling-frustration/. I’d be curious to know what you think.

I think that the situation is that you know and I know these things, but those making decisions in orgs want to a: solve problems or b: make it look like they are solving problems or c: have something to spin to show that they are solving problems, regardless of whether they are or not.

So, they become victims to good sales people who can not only sell them a solution, but also show them that their competitors are also using the LMS, so they should too. Nothing lights a fire under the C-suite like a competitor getting a one-up. Maybe that’s your angle?

As a pragmatist, I just accept that the LMS will be there and try and figure out how to help the organization do the rest of the stuff (and I minimize the role the LMS plays). Is it right? Probably not, but at least I no longer grind my teeth all night long over the fact that they just don’t get it!

]]> By: Harold Jarche http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-198798 Harold Jarche Wed, 12 May 2010 15:51:23 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3903#comment-198798 The worker, the work being done and the collaboration amongst workers. The worker, the work being done and the collaboration amongst workers.

]]> By: inboulder http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-198797 inboulder Wed, 12 May 2010 15:24:26 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3903#comment-198797 This sounds reasonable, but if the LMS is not the 'center of learning' what is? This sounds reasonable, but if the LMS is not the ‘center of learning’ what is?

]]> By: Harold Jarche » The networked enterprise and learning support http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-198616 Harold Jarche » The networked enterprise and learning support Sat, 08 May 2010 17:12:04 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3903#comment-198616 [...] recent post on the value of the LMS stems from the perspective that the networked enterprise is a new [...] [...] recent post on the value of the LMS stems from the perspective that the networked enterprise is a new [...]

]]> By: Dan Pontefract http://www.jarche.com/2010/05/lms-is-no-longer-the-centre-of-the-universe/comment-page-1/#comment-198564 Dan Pontefract Fri, 07 May 2010 04:29:00 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3903#comment-198564 "moated fortress" ... classic Mr. Husband “moated fortress” … classic Mr. Husband

]]>