Comments on: Social snake oil

By: Help! #CrowdSource: Need a New Word for #Learning? < Answers in the comments please… #lrnchat « Simbeck-Hampson Consultancy

Fri, 08 Oct 2010 06:15:38 +0000

[...] dive under their desks and refuse to come out until they’ve gone… thanks LMS & the Snake Oil salesmen. So, the hunt is now on for a new word that is less [...]

By: Informal learning: the real deal. Free.

Informal learning: the real deal. Free. — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:58:34 +0000

[...] the words in their advertising. Read this scathing commentary by Peter Casebow, Jane Hart, and Harold Jarche. It’s time to clear the [...]

By: Harold Jarche

Harold Jarche — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:49:17 +0000

Yes, I remember that post, Teemu. Some things change slowly.

By: Teemu Leinonen

Teemu Leinonen — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:05:37 +0000

Hi,

I think we should find balance between the organizational change / development and tools (technology, software). They both drive each other.

I was some months ago giving a talk in a business conference about the “next generation wikis in competence development”. I felt the audience was not happy when I told them that wikis are pretty much the same today as they were 10 years ago and there isn’t any major new features coming up. The new “generation wiki” is the new people with different mindset and if one wants to use wikis in competence development the first step is to make your work place “wiki-friendly”

Your post also made me think about the LMS madness. I wrote about it some years ago. Here:

http://flosse.blogging.fi/2007/05/24/no-one-ever-got-fired-for-buying-lms/

- Teemu

By: Nancy Rubin, Ph.D.

Nancy Rubin, Ph.D. — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:08:33 +0000

I think the best way to distinguish between snake oil salesman and the real deal is to have other people describe how great you are; and, luckily, I can do that! This was just published recently in Inside Higher Ed and it relates to our company, Learning Objects, Inc, a social software platform for education.

http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/technology_and_learning/appreciating_learning_objects

By: Why do you share? « emergent by design

Why do you share? « emergent by design — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:30:29 +0000

[...] been a new meme – the Social Learning Snake Oil Salesman. The first post I noticed, Social snake oil, came from Harold Jarche, a practitioner in creating collaborative learning environments in the [...]

By: Bill Fitzgerald

Bill Fitzgerald — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:58:44 +0000

Hello, Talia,

RE: “The quantity guy threatened to sue a bunch of us (a lot happened there)” — that sounds out of hand! I bet there is an interesting backstory.

RE: “misuse of buzz words is an equal crime” — once something has become a buzzword, the term has lost any real meaning that it might have had. The more significant issue is when companies take a term that has real meaning and significance, and incorporates that work into its marketing buzz in a way that twists the meaning of the term beyond recognition.

As one of many examples, look at the way the term “Open” has been stripped of its original meaning through inclusion in countless “Web 2.0″ marketing campaigns. If you read the marketing materials, Blackboard is Open.

But with that said, I appreciate your participation in and contributions to the conversation, both here, on Twitter, and in other places. And as always, a hearty “Thank you” to our host, Harold, who wrote the post and started things off.

Cheers,

Bill

By: Most Tweeted Articles by eLearning Experts

Most Tweeted Articles by eLearning Experts — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:14:39 +0000

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By: Deja Vu « Information Works

Deja Vu « Information Works — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:12:09 +0000

[...] some interesting conversation going on in the elearning world this week. Respected voices such as Harold Jarche, Jane Hart, Jay Cross, Jane Bozarth have been tossing around terms like “Social Snake Oil” and [...]

By: Talia from Sparkeo

Talia from Sparkeo — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:24:17 +0000

Thanks for the tips, guys.

As someone who has been on Twitter for WAY longer than it has been a buzz word (about 2 years now), I am very much against using those buzz words because I know how misused they are. I see countless people try to use social media the wrong way.

Last August, my local Twitter community was very divided between those who thought it was about quality versus those who thought it was about quantity. The quantity guy threatened to sue a bunch of us (a lot happened there), but ultimately he had about 10 real followers among the 33,000 who were listed, and he hasn’t tweeted in months. This was AFTER he opened a company whose purpose was to get the the most followers for any company who was looking to join Twitter. Misuse of a medium is incredibly frustrating, and I can see that, at least to you guys, misuse of buzz words (even if I honestly don’t think I have personally been guilty of it), is an equal crime.

Do you differentiate between those who email you without knowing what you write about and those who don’t? I don’t mean someone emailing you and just putting your blog title in the email.

But I have taken into consideration everything y’all said here (and on Jane’s group on FB) and am considering changing our approach, at least partially.

In essence, what everyone here is saying is don’t bothering emailing me, correct?