Comments on: personal knowledge management & wisdom http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/personal-knowledge-management-wisdom/ Life in Perpetual Beta Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:59:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: #PLENK2010 Reflection on Learning and Assessment | Suifaijohnmak's Weblog http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/personal-knowledge-management-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-224672 #PLENK2010 Reflection on Learning and Assessment | Suifaijohnmak's Weblog Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:46:38 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3700#comment-224672 [...] think this is also the focus of PKM and here by Harold when a learner is managing knowledge in a professional field, as part of his her [...] [...] think this is also the focus of PKM and here by Harold when a learner is managing knowledge in a professional field, as part of his her [...]

]]> By: Harold Jarche http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/personal-knowledge-management-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-196810 Harold Jarche Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:31:11 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3700#comment-196810 Wisdom is outside the PKM process. Please read the post & references, Michael. Thank you for suggesting further thought on a topic that I have been considering, and discussing in public, for at least five years. Wisdom is outside the PKM process. Please read the post & references, Michael. Thank you for suggesting further thought on a topic that I have been considering, and discussing in public, for at least five years.

]]> By: Michael gordon http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/personal-knowledge-management-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-196809 Michael gordon Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:26:38 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3700#comment-196809 The implication that wisdom is self-managed and gained through process is limiting. Wisdom inevitably requires an imputation or is imparted from another and is not from self but rather self-realized. PKM yes but keep the wisdom out of it until the model can factor in mentorship and discipleship. Knowledge, information, data are all inwardly gathered, acquired, absorbed, processed etc. Wisdom comes only from doing and is outwardly focused. The doing will ultimately result in wisdom by witnessing the results of doing. It is a byproduct not an objective. Your concept is a good WIP but without a better "directional" flow, it does not properly articulate the attainment of wisdom. I would suggest some further thought here. The implication that wisdom is self-managed and gained through process is limiting. Wisdom inevitably requires an imputation or is imparted from another and is not from self but rather self-realized. PKM yes but keep the wisdom out of it until the model can factor in mentorship and discipleship. Knowledge, information, data are all inwardly gathered, acquired, absorbed, processed etc. Wisdom comes only from doing and is outwardly focused. The doing will ultimately result in wisdom by witnessing the results of doing. It is a byproduct not an objective.

Your concept is a good WIP but without a better “directional” flow, it does not properly articulate the attainment of wisdom. I would suggest some further thought here.

]]> By: uberVU - social comments http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/personal-knowledge-management-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-196724 uberVU - social comments Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:58:52 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3700#comment-196724 <strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong> This post was mentioned on Twitter by Quinnovator: RT @hjarche: blog: PKM & wisdom http://is.gd/aNiQf < but I want to hear more about 'wisdom'! :)... Social comments and analytics for this post…

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]]> By: Harold Jarche http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/personal-knowledge-management-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-196698 Harold Jarche Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:21:40 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3700#comment-196698 Thanks, Meri. I keep grappling with metaphors and models and I doubt that anyone completely agrees with me because it's all a work in progress. My aim is to develop models that can be applied in the workplace, so quite often they are simplified. As they say, all models are flawed but some are useful. I try to be useful. Thanks, Meri. I keep grappling with metaphors and models and I doubt that anyone completely agrees with me because it’s all a work in progress. My aim is to develop models that can be applied in the workplace, so quite often they are simplified. As they say, all models are flawed but some are useful. I try to be useful.

]]> By: meri walker http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/personal-knowledge-management-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-196695 meri walker Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:30:05 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3700#comment-196695 Wrote you a love letter today in my posterous: http://meri.posterous.com. I don't have to agree with you to be utterly grateful that you keep making these reports from the "edge" we're exploring, Harold. To quote Joe Cocker, "You give me reason to live..." Thanks for making this post and sharing the slides. Your generosity of mind and spirit is as precious as the sunrise. Wrote you a love letter today in my posterous: http://meri.posterous.com. I don’t have to agree with you to be utterly grateful that you keep making these reports from the “edge” we’re exploring, Harold. To quote Joe Cocker, “You give me reason to live…” Thanks for making this post and sharing the slides. Your generosity of mind and spirit is as precious as the sunrise.

]]> By: Atle Iversen http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/personal-knowledge-management-wisdom/comment-page-1/#comment-196625 Atle Iversen Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:57:47 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=3700#comment-196625 Your PKM posts are always interesting, even if I don't always agree with everything :-) I think the DIKW model is fine for explaining the basic idea. Unfortunately, there is not always 100% agreement on what each part actually is. I'll use this explanation: Data is symbols, information is processed data (who, what, where, when) while knowledge is expertise that answers "how" questions. You may also use wisdom to answer the "why". I think your "sense" part is important - make sense of data = information - make sense of information = knowledge - make sense of knowledge = wisdom The "knowledge" part is often context-sensitive (information applied in a certain context) while wisdom is usually reached after reflection and experience (if reached at all) and is often very subjective (I guess as we move from D to I to K to W it gets less objective and more subjective ?) PKM itself will not make us any wiser, but it can *help us* become wiser by helping us *make sense* of the information and knowledge that we have. I like this part of your model ! However, it is important to note that the last, final step is not Share (as it seems like in your model), but USE ! Knowledge (or wisdom, for that matter) is of no value if it isn't USED ! It doesn't matter if YOU use it, or if you Share it and OTHERS use it, but the ultimate goal is to make Sense of the data and information so that it can be USED by someone (for something). Well, at least this is *my* opinion :-) My 2 cents on this: - http://www.ppcsoft.com/blog/km-3-1.asp Your PKM posts are always interesting, even if I don’t always agree with everything :-)

I think the DIKW model is fine for explaining the basic idea. Unfortunately, there is not always 100% agreement on what each part actually is.

I’ll use this explanation:
Data is symbols, information is processed data (who, what, where, when) while knowledge is expertise that answers “how” questions. You may also use wisdom to answer the “why”.

I think your “sense” part is important
– make sense of data = information
– make sense of information = knowledge
– make sense of knowledge = wisdom

The “knowledge” part is often context-sensitive (information applied in a certain context) while wisdom is usually reached after reflection and experience (if reached at all) and is often very subjective (I guess as we move from D to I to K to W it gets less objective and more subjective ?)

PKM itself will not make us any wiser, but it can *help us* become wiser by helping us *make sense* of the information and knowledge that we have. I like this part of your model !

However, it is important to note that the last, final step is not Share (as it seems like in your model), but USE !

Knowledge (or wisdom, for that matter) is of no value if it isn’t USED ! It doesn’t matter if YOU use it, or if you Share it and OTHERS use it, but the ultimate goal is to make Sense of the data and information so that it can be USED by someone (for something).

Well, at least this is *my* opinion :-)

My 2 cents on this:
– http://www.ppcsoft.com/blog/km-3-1.asp

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