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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, Virginia. Thanks for sharing.</description>
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		<title>By: virginia yonkers</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/literacies/comment-page-1/#comment-196927</link>
		<dc:creator>virginia yonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll give you an example of how a person&#039;s understanding of media can be distorted if they are &quot;illiterate&quot; and their abstraction abilities have not been developed.

As an English trainer in Costa Rica, I was preparing a group of rural leaders to go to the US.  All of them were excellent communicators in Spanish, many of them very intelligent, but a number of them had either no literacy or very low levels of literacy (reading and writing) in Spanish.  As one of my activities, I used the image (drawing) in which there is either an old hag or a young woman, depending on how you look at the picture.  This is similar to the drawings by Esher or the coup d&#039;oeil pictures.

Both my co-instructor and I used the pictures with two different groups.  What surprised us was that those students that were illiterate could not see two different images within the same picture, even if we tried to point it out to them.  Whatever they saw initially was the only image they could see.  On the other hand, those who were literate were able to see both when pointed out to them.  I had learned about this in my teacher training, but never realized how it would impact looking at images.  

Learning to read and write develops a person&#039;s ability to abstract ideas and interpret images.  This would have a great impact on media as well as reading and writing.  If we have new &quot;literacies&quot; and move away from reading and writing text, we will still need to teach the ability to abstract ideas (e.g. interpreting images, connecting symbols to information).  I&#039;m not sure our educational system is ready for that yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll give you an example of how a person&#8217;s understanding of media can be distorted if they are &#8220;illiterate&#8221; and their abstraction abilities have not been developed.</p>
<p>As an English trainer in Costa Rica, I was preparing a group of rural leaders to go to the US.  All of them were excellent communicators in Spanish, many of them very intelligent, but a number of them had either no literacy or very low levels of literacy (reading and writing) in Spanish.  As one of my activities, I used the image (drawing) in which there is either an old hag or a young woman, depending on how you look at the picture.  This is similar to the drawings by Esher or the coup d&#8217;oeil pictures.</p>
<p>Both my co-instructor and I used the pictures with two different groups.  What surprised us was that those students that were illiterate could not see two different images within the same picture, even if we tried to point it out to them.  Whatever they saw initially was the only image they could see.  On the other hand, those who were literate were able to see both when pointed out to them.  I had learned about this in my teacher training, but never realized how it would impact looking at images.  </p>
<p>Learning to read and write develops a person&#8217;s ability to abstract ideas and interpret images.  This would have a great impact on media as well as reading and writing.  If we have new &#8220;literacies&#8221; and move away from reading and writing text, we will still need to teach the ability to abstract ideas (e.g. interpreting images, connecting symbols to information).  I&#8217;m not sure our educational system is ready for that yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/literacies/comment-page-1/#comment-196917</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abstraction as literacy; most interesting &amp; something I have not come across. Thanks, Virginia.</description>
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		<title>By: virginia yonkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>virginia yonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The study of literacy is so much more than the understanding of the written word.  It includes discourse communities (communities in which people learn the meaning behind the symbols of words), meaning making, and the &quot;dialog&quot; between the &quot;sender&quot; and the &quot;receiver&quot;.  It also includes a level of critical thinking depending on the level of literacy.  At the highest level of literacy, the receiver of the message can take symbols and abstract them into higher order thinking, often moving from the literal to the abstract in the form of hypothesis, application to one&#039;s environment even though on the surface it seems unrelated, and connecting to other ideas.

It seems to me, looking at literacy in this way, looking at a YouTube video can indicate different levels of literacy, just like looking at texts.  

My 20 years of experience teaching at the university and adult training levels has demonstrated that there is a shift.  That shift is not in written or oral traditions or even media literacies vs. written literacy.  Rather, it is the ability for my students to abstract meaning and think critically (at a higher level) based on symbols.  I see a trend towards much more literal thinking with an inability to abstract from the media, text, or oral inputs.  Many of these students score high on SAT or ACT standardized tests which would indicate that they are &quot;literate&quot; in the traditional sense of being able to read and write.  However, in my mind, they are becoming more &quot;illiterate&quot; as they are having more and more difficulty abstracting from the literal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The study of literacy is so much more than the understanding of the written word.  It includes discourse communities (communities in which people learn the meaning behind the symbols of words), meaning making, and the &#8220;dialog&#8221; between the &#8220;sender&#8221; and the &#8220;receiver&#8221;.  It also includes a level of critical thinking depending on the level of literacy.  At the highest level of literacy, the receiver of the message can take symbols and abstract them into higher order thinking, often moving from the literal to the abstract in the form of hypothesis, application to one&#8217;s environment even though on the surface it seems unrelated, and connecting to other ideas.</p>
<p>It seems to me, looking at literacy in this way, looking at a YouTube video can indicate different levels of literacy, just like looking at texts.  </p>
<p>My 20 years of experience teaching at the university and adult training levels has demonstrated that there is a shift.  That shift is not in written or oral traditions or even media literacies vs. written literacy.  Rather, it is the ability for my students to abstract meaning and think critically (at a higher level) based on symbols.  I see a trend towards much more literal thinking with an inability to abstract from the media, text, or oral inputs.  Many of these students score high on SAT or ACT standardized tests which would indicate that they are &#8220;literate&#8221; in the traditional sense of being able to read and write.  However, in my mind, they are becoming more &#8220;illiterate&#8221; as they are having more and more difficulty abstracting from the literal.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert (Formative Assessment Guy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert (Formative Assessment Guy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool. I can&#039;t even spell the work &quot;literacy&quot; write. I think I am on the right track to becoming a citizen of the new world.. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool. I can&#8217;t even spell the work &#8220;literacy&#8221; write. I think I am on the right track to becoming a citizen of the new world.. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert (Formative Assessment Guy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert (Formative Assessment Guy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Producing oral can be done by the body. Producing print or video requires external tools.  So oral is more built-in than video.  Visual things like body language are more built-in than oral.

These things have always been there. Were not seeing more of it.  We are seeing less of &quot;paper print&quot; and we are seeing more of electronic print.

As we become less linear we might very easily get the impression that we are becoming more sensory.  

The word &quot;litteracy&quot; is so linked in to the printed word that it would be hard to debate the questions posed by harold.

Hmm.. litteracy is a bad word.  Litt !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Producing oral can be done by the body. Producing print or video requires external tools.  So oral is more built-in than video.  Visual things like body language are more built-in than oral.</p>
<p>These things have always been there. Were not seeing more of it.  We are seeing less of &#8220;paper print&#8221; and we are seeing more of electronic print.</p>
<p>As we become less linear we might very easily get the impression that we are becoming more sensory.  </p>
<p>The word &#8220;litteracy&#8221; is so linked in to the printed word that it would be hard to debate the questions posed by harold.</p>
<p>Hmm.. litteracy is a bad word.  Litt !</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2010/03/literacies/comment-page-1/#comment-196894</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is video becoming the/a new literacy? Are we returning to our oral past after three thousand years?&lt;/i&gt;

I think (I&#039;ll check later this week) that Michel Cartier would say that we are moving to visual and iconic language as well as &quot;oral&quot; .. of course (much of) video combines the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is video becoming the/a new literacy? Are we returning to our oral past after three thousand years?</i></p>
<p>I think (I&#8217;ll check later this week) that Michel Cartier would say that we are moving to visual and iconic language as well as &#8220;oral&#8221; .. of course (much of) video combines the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert (Formative Assessment Guy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert (Formative Assessment Guy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harold asks :

&quot;Is video becoming the/a new literacy? &quot; (Don&#039;t think so)

&quot;Are we returning to our oral past after three thousand years?&quot; (We never left it)
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When we become more predominantly oral or &quot;sensory&quot; we are not really moving towards the past.  Oral is more entrenched in us.  Senses even more. &quot;Written word&quot; is less entrenched. 

We are clearly moving away from the &quot;press printed word&quot; and its linearity. But, we are not moving back to oral. It always was there although it wasn&#039;t VALUED, reinforced, or taught in a world where its cheaper to convey messages by mass produced print.  

Litteracy, for the past many year, has been closely defined to our capacity to mass produce for the printed press and our capacity to use the output of the printed press.

Capacity to produce (Write press compatible items). Capacity to use (Read press compatible items).

In a &quot;printed&quot; world, a musician that can&#039;t write press ready music (sheet) or can&#039;t read is devalued. 

The efficiency of the press and the old physical distribution network is being replaced by the electronic message and a new propagation network.  

The new litteracy (we shouldn&#039;t call it litteracy anymore), will be our capacity to produce and use results from this new mode of production.  Its a &quot;valuation&quot; thing.

So, in this perspective, one could say that video would not be the new litteracy. Well, not more than reading comic books would have been the new litteracy.  

I don&#039;t totally agree with my own statement. So nice to me non-linear.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Is video becoming the/a new literacy? &#8221; (Don&#8217;t think so)</p>
<p>&#8220;Are we returning to our oral past after three thousand years?&#8221; (We never left it)<br />
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When we become more predominantly oral or &#8220;sensory&#8221; we are not really moving towards the past.  Oral is more entrenched in us.  Senses even more. &#8220;Written word&#8221; is less entrenched. </p>
<p>We are clearly moving away from the &#8220;press printed word&#8221; and its linearity. But, we are not moving back to oral. It always was there although it wasn&#8217;t VALUED, reinforced, or taught in a world where its cheaper to convey messages by mass produced print.  </p>
<p>Litteracy, for the past many year, has been closely defined to our capacity to mass produce for the printed press and our capacity to use the output of the printed press.</p>
<p>Capacity to produce (Write press compatible items). Capacity to use (Read press compatible items).</p>
<p>In a &#8220;printed&#8221; world, a musician that can&#8217;t write press ready music (sheet) or can&#8217;t read is devalued. </p>
<p>The efficiency of the press and the old physical distribution network is being replaced by the electronic message and a new propagation network.  </p>
<p>The new litteracy (we shouldn&#8217;t call it litteracy anymore), will be our capacity to produce and use results from this new mode of production.  Its a &#8220;valuation&#8221; thing.</p>
<p>So, in this perspective, one could say that video would not be the new litteracy. Well, not more than reading comic books would have been the new litteracy.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t totally agree with my own statement. So nice to me non-linear.</p>
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