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		<title>By: Harold Jarche &#187; Our Virtuous Internet</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2009/12/the-curmudgeons-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-192092</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche &#187; Our Virtuous Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote the stub of the Curmudgeons Manifesto with some thoughts on how we need to collectively change our behaviours in order to foster a more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Julian Elve</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2009/12/the-curmudgeons-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-192021</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Elve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Harold

I think that you have an excellent point, and indeed I would extend it - so many of the sites you allude to are less than predictable in what they will post or display over time.

From the perspective of having my key content where I want it, and in a place that can always be associated with &quot;me&quot;, I was inspired by your post to make a few changes to my personal setup:

1) I&#039;ve stopped auto-posting to Facebook and  LinkedIn. I still use both sites but for a controlled subset of my online activities for which they are a good fit.
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2) I&#039;ve installed the necessary plugins to aggregate my &quot;Lifestream&quot; on my own site. Although I still have Friendfeed, that is more as a backup rather than a key &quot;point of presence&quot;.

Oh yes, and I like Doug Belshaw&#039;s suggested rename, or perhaps the &quot;Open Learner Manifesto&quot; ?</description>
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<p>I think that you have an excellent point, and indeed I would extend it &#8211; so many of the sites you allude to are less than predictable in what they will post or display over time.</p>
<p>From the perspective of having my key content where I want it, and in a place that can always be associated with &#8220;me&#8221;, I was inspired by your post to make a few changes to my personal setup:</p>
<p>1) I&#8217;ve stopped auto-posting to Facebook and  LinkedIn. I still use both sites but for a controlled subset of my online activities for which they are a good fit.<br />
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2) I&#8217;ve installed the necessary plugins to aggregate my &#8220;Lifestream&#8221; on my own site. Although I still have Friendfeed, that is more as a backup rather than a key &#8220;point of presence&#8221;.</p>
<p>Oh yes, and I like Doug Belshaw&#8217;s suggested rename, or perhaps the &#8220;Open Learner Manifesto&#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche: The Curmudgeon’s Manifesto (via @jordi_a) &#171; Microwordpress de @jrosell</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2009/12/the-curmudgeons-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-191965</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche: The Curmudgeon’s Manifesto (via @jordi_a) &#171; Microwordpress de @jrosell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A suggestion from Doug Belshaw: Change the name of the Curmudgeon’s Manifesto to the Open Educators’ Manifesto (or similar). Back OpenID and OpenSocial. People like to sign up to positive-sounding things that cite big players or existing traction.   via jarche.com [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A suggestion from Doug Belshaw: Change the name of the Curmudgeon’s Manifesto to the Open Educators’ Manifesto (or similar). Back OpenID and OpenSocial. People like to sign up to positive-sounding things that cite big players or existing traction.   via jarche.com [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Synesthesia</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2009/12/the-curmudgeons-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-191954</link>
		<dc:creator>Synesthesia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Harold Jarche &#187; The Curmudgeon&#8217;s ManifestoGood post, must write some comment when @ PC!blogging socialmedia opensystems @comment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2009/12/the-curmudgeons-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-191941</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Alan Levine said much of what I would have, only more intelligently.

I&#039;ve been thinking about this issue a lot recently, especially since my old-style PDA no longer syncs with the data on my PC.  I&#039;m about ready for a smartphone and considering an Android model, but I am far from crazy about the idea of Google having access to my contacts and my calendar.

Ditto for gmail: why should I allow a bunch of rich geeks to scan the content of my mail?  I haven&#039;t heard a good answer yet; the value proposition is often more a proposition than a value.

Having your own domain (so you control where it&#039;s hosted) and your own web presence is essential, I think, even if a bit technical for someone who&#039;s never done it.  The tech barriers are lower but not invisible.  Still, it&#039;s kind of like learning to write and speak on an educated-adult level: something with far more benefits than drawbacks.

(I may need to consider OpenID again, though it felt really clunky and cumbersome to me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Alan Levine said much of what I would have, only more intelligently.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this issue a lot recently, especially since my old-style PDA no longer syncs with the data on my PC.  I&#8217;m about ready for a smartphone and considering an Android model, but I am far from crazy about the idea of Google having access to my contacts and my calendar.</p>
<p>Ditto for gmail: why should I allow a bunch of rich geeks to scan the content of my mail?  I haven&#8217;t heard a good answer yet; the value proposition is often more a proposition than a value.</p>
<p>Having your own domain (so you control where it&#8217;s hosted) and your own web presence is essential, I think, even if a bit technical for someone who&#8217;s never done it.  The tech barriers are lower but not invisible.  Still, it&#8217;s kind of like learning to write and speak on an educated-adult level: something with far more benefits than drawbacks.</p>
<p>(I may need to consider OpenID again, though it felt really clunky and cumbersome to me.)</p>
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		<title>By: dougbelshaw.com/blog - Education, technology &#38; tangential thinking.</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2009/12/the-curmudgeons-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-191932</link>
		<dc:creator>dougbelshaw.com/blog - Education, technology &#38; tangential thinking.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Harold Jarche:  I&#8217;ve decided to start the Curmudgeon’s Manifesto, which may serve as a call to arms to start dumping platforms that don’t understand how to play nice on the Internet. It’s our playground, and through our actions we get to set the rules of conduct. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Twitted by KerrieAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitted by KerrieAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bill Bell</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2009/12/the-curmudgeons-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-191917</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mentioned this on my blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Grincheux, aux barricades! &#171; Blogue du GTA</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2009/12/the-curmudgeons-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-191911</link>
		<dc:creator>Grincheux, aux barricades! &#171; Blogue du GTA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Harold a bien vite sauté sur le train en marche, surtout que Suarez citait un autre billet d&#8217;Harold, (Where’s your data?&#160;&#8211;&#160;dont je recommande d&#8217;ailleurs la lecture: concis, pratique et plein de gros bon sens) comme déclencheur de sa réflexion, et cela donne The Curmudgeon’s Manifesto. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2009/12/the-curmudgeons-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-191885</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I meant the new and much nicer Curmudgeon 2.0. Alan!

I agree with your recommendations, which I pretty much follow anyway - losing Facebook or LinkedIn would not be a big deal for me. My main interest in continuing this conversation is to ensure that others understand the cost of creating content on proprietary platforms and then losing control after it&#039;s too late. Maybe I should I re-name it the &quot;Pro-actively Pragmatic Primer&quot;?

BTW, I&#039;m sure my kids would say that I meet your definition of a curmudgeon ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I meant the new and much nicer Curmudgeon 2.0. Alan!</p>
<p>I agree with your recommendations, which I pretty much follow anyway &#8211; losing Facebook or LinkedIn would not be a big deal for me. My main interest in continuing this conversation is to ensure that others understand the cost of creating content on proprietary platforms and then losing control after it&#8217;s too late. Maybe I should I re-name it the &#8220;Pro-actively Pragmatic Primer&#8221;?</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m sure my kids would say that I meet your definition of a curmudgeon <img src='http://www.jarche.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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