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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, Simon! &quot;As soon as the training people bundle up the ‘problems’ into something with a stupid name, they fall victim to logic which is entirely circular.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, Simon! &#8220;As soon as the training people bundle up the ‘problems’ into something with a stupid name, they fall victim to logic which is entirely circular.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Bostock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Bostock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this, and I&#039;m always glad when ex-military people share insights. There&#039;s a lot you guys have to offer.

One of the things I&#039;m fascinated by is our general ignorance of logistics - such a critical success factor to military effectiveness.

&quot;Without supplies no army is brave.&quot; said Frederick the Great (as you might tell, I&#039;ve been reading some military history :) And trainers have very often not been brave, not at all.

The reason? Logistics.

They haven&#039;t set up enough supply lines to the real world, they&#039;ve relied on book knowledge rather than direct observation or real-life data, they haven&#039;t got their hands dirty in business.

I think there&#039;s a circularity to what training depts have done. Somebody observes a problem, then another, then another. A training guy identifies this &#039;group&#039; of problems as being a close fit to some nebulous concept like &#039;leadership&#039;. Then they go away and read all about leadership and build a course. Then the effectiveness of the course is measured against the &#039;learning objectives&#039;. And so on.

As soon as the training people bundle up the &#039;problems&#039; into something with a stupid name, they fall victim to logic which is entirely circular.

They&#039;ve shut off their supply lines to the individual problems and real-life, and stranded themselves. They become cowards.

Hope that wasn&#039;t too much of a tangent (since when has that stopped me...) and it makes some kind of sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this, and I&#8217;m always glad when ex-military people share insights. There&#8217;s a lot you guys have to offer.</p>
<p>One of the things I&#8217;m fascinated by is our general ignorance of logistics &#8211; such a critical success factor to military effectiveness.</p>
<p>&#8220;Without supplies no army is brave.&#8221; said Frederick the Great (as you might tell, I&#8217;ve been reading some military history <img src='http://www.jarche.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And trainers have very often not been brave, not at all.</p>
<p>The reason? Logistics.</p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t set up enough supply lines to the real world, they&#8217;ve relied on book knowledge rather than direct observation or real-life data, they haven&#8217;t got their hands dirty in business.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a circularity to what training depts have done. Somebody observes a problem, then another, then another. A training guy identifies this &#8216;group&#8217; of problems as being a close fit to some nebulous concept like &#8216;leadership&#8217;. Then they go away and read all about leadership and build a course. Then the effectiveness of the course is measured against the &#8216;learning objectives&#8217;. And so on.</p>
<p>As soon as the training people bundle up the &#8216;problems&#8217; into something with a stupid name, they fall victim to logic which is entirely circular.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve shut off their supply lines to the individual problems and real-life, and stranded themselves. They become cowards.</p>
<p>Hope that wasn&#8217;t too much of a tangent (since when has that stopped me&#8230;) and it makes some kind of sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Le eLearning, formel ou informel? &#171; SiteDuDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le eLearning, formel ou informel? &#171; SiteDuDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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