Comments on: The Future of the Training Department http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/ Learning & Working on the Web Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:23:44 -0300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Harold Jarche » Connect, aggregate, filter; then train http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/comment-page-1/#comment-193426 Harold Jarche » Connect, aggregate, filter; then train Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:09:51 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2966#comment-193426 [...] “training” department [or whatever it becomes] for any knowledge-based business is to Connect & Communicate. As workers co-develop emergent processes they need to be supported through updated information, [...] [...] “training” department [or whatever it becomes] for any knowledge-based business is to Connect & Communicate. As workers co-develop emergent processes they need to be supported through updated information, [...]

]]> By: Stephen J. Gill http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/comment-page-1/#comment-192218 Stephen J. Gill Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:08:11 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2966#comment-192218 As the great architect Louis Sullivan said, "Form ever follows function." So for me the question is, "What is the best structure for facilitating learning that will result in achieving business goals?" That necessitates what Sean Murray and I call the "5As Framework": 1) alignment of learning interventions (training, coaching, online support, etc.) with goals; 2) anticipating success; 3) learning alliance of learner with supervisor/boss; 4) application of learning to achieve business goals; and 5) accountability for business results. Whatever structure (centralized training department; distributed training department; collaborative networks; etc.) supports these elements, that is what is needed. As the great architect Louis Sullivan said, “Form ever follows function.” So for me the question is, “What is the best structure for facilitating learning that will result in achieving business goals?” That necessitates what Sean Murray and I call the “5As Framework”: 1) alignment of learning interventions (training, coaching, online support, etc.) with goals; 2) anticipating success; 3) learning alliance of learner with supervisor/boss; 4) application of learning to achieve business goals; and 5) accountability for business results. Whatever structure (centralized training department; distributed training department; collaborative networks; etc.) supports these elements, that is what is needed.

]]> By: Harold Jarche » Wirearchy in practice http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/comment-page-1/#comment-191744 Harold Jarche » Wirearchy in practice Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:35:29 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2966#comment-191744 [...] loose networks, like our group, the Internet Time Alliance. I’ve recommended before that the training department inverse the hierarchical pyramid, but can corporate management do this? Can there be a real two-way flow of authority? We have a [...] [...] loose networks, like our group, the Internet Time Alliance. I’ve recommended before that the training department inverse the hierarchical pyramid, but can corporate management do this? Can there be a real two-way flow of authority? We have a [...]

]]> By: Harold Jarche » Group-centric work and training http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/comment-page-1/#comment-191672 Harold Jarche » Group-centric work and training Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:07:26 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2966#comment-191672 [...] individual skills, usually based on some variant of ISD. However, as Jay Cross and I explained in the future of the training department, training is inadequate in developing the emergent practices necessary to operate in complex [...] [...] individual skills, usually based on some variant of ISD. However, as Jay Cross and I explained in the future of the training department, training is inadequate in developing the emergent practices necessary to operate in complex [...]

]]> By: Harold Jarche » The future of the training department http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/comment-page-1/#comment-191516 Harold Jarche » The future of the training department Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:43:54 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2966#comment-191516 [...] Cross and I have written and posted The future of the training department [link updated] on our togetherLearn blog: Prior to the 20th Century, training per se did not exist [...] [...] Cross and I have written and posted The future of the training department [link updated] on our togetherLearn blog: Prior to the 20th Century, training per se did not exist [...]

]]> By: Harold Jarche » A Learning Reformation http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/comment-page-1/#comment-191515 Harold Jarche » A Learning Reformation Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:42:12 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2966#comment-191515 [...] The future of the training department, Jay and I put forth the idea that in order to help organizations evolve in a complex environment [...] [...] The future of the training department, Jay and I put forth the idea that in order to help organizations evolve in a complex environment [...]

]]> By: Learning Pulse | Xyleme Insider http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/comment-page-1/#comment-191454 Learning Pulse | Xyleme Insider Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:47:39 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2966#comment-191454 [...] Pulse October 30th, 2009 Goto comments Leave a comment Harold Jarche is blogging about the future of the training department, briefly looking back at the pre-training age and then at how training has evolved after its [...] [...] Pulse October 30th, 2009 Goto comments Leave a comment Harold Jarche is blogging about the future of the training department, briefly looking back at the pre-training age and then at how training has evolved after its [...]

]]> By: Michael Forrest http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/comment-page-1/#comment-191449 Michael Forrest Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:53:31 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2966#comment-191449 This article really requires detailed analysing. With many good and not-so-good Training Departments there is an absolute need to provide assitance to the"flexible" worker. Management needs to recognise the tools that are required to devlop required skills and provide them in a timely manner which will be difficult in an unstructure world going forward. It will be similar to an athlete running in a distance race where tactics are the difference between winning and finishing behind the winner. Will winning be the ultimate or will it be "keeping up" No doubt we are entering interesting times. Let's hope integrity wins over those who will be prepared to cut corners! This article really requires detailed analysing.

With many good and not-so-good Training Departments there is an absolute need to provide assitance to the”flexible” worker. Management needs to recognise the tools that are required to devlop required skills and provide them in a timely manner which will be difficult in an unstructure world going forward.

It will be similar to an athlete running in a distance race where tactics are the difference between winning and finishing behind the winner. Will winning be the ultimate or will it be “keeping up”

No doubt we are entering interesting times.
Let’s hope integrity wins over those who will be prepared to cut corners!

]]> By: Harold Jarche http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/comment-page-1/#comment-191404 Harold Jarche Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:03:05 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2966#comment-191404 Thanks for the comment, Annette. There's no doubt we're all learners. Training is something that is externally directed while learning is an internal process. Here's how I see some of the distinctions: http://www.jarche.com/2007/11/putting-a-training-peg-into-an-education-hole/ Thanks for the comment, Annette. There’s no doubt we’re all learners. Training is something that is externally directed while learning is an internal process. Here’s how I see some of the distinctions:

http://www.jarche.com/2007/11/putting-a-training-peg-into-an-education-hole/

]]> By: Annette Kramer http://www.jarche.com/2009/10/the-future-of-the-training-department-2/comment-page-1/#comment-191403 Annette Kramer Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:58:03 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2966#comment-191403 Hi, Great post -- very well articulated. However, I sitll have an issue with the distinction between "training" and "learning" -- I think we should think of workers (eg all of us) as learners. If we referred to ourselves that way, there wouldn't be any question that the process needs to continue, be varied, cross contexts and disciplines, and look to innovate. I've banged on about this too much in my blog already -- Training to me is learning to consider particular tasks or thinking within a very limited context. What do you think of changing the word? Best, Annette Hi,

Great post — very well articulated.

However, I sitll have an issue with the distinction between “training” and “learning” — I think we should think of workers (eg all of us) as learners. If we referred to ourselves that way, there wouldn’t be any question that the process needs to continue, be varied, cross contexts and disciplines, and look to innovate.

I’ve banged on about this too much in my blog already — Training to me is learning to consider particular tasks or thinking within a very limited context. What do you think of changing the word?

Best,
Annette

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