Comments on: Integrating Learning and Work http://www.jarche.com/2009/06/integrating-learning-and-work/ Learning & Working on the Web Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:57:47 -0300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Tom Gram http://www.jarche.com/2009/06/integrating-learning-and-work/comment-page-1/#comment-188689 Tom Gram Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:13:45 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2601#comment-188689 Hi Dave; I have no quibble with your quibble. Jobs or roles should be derived from and serve the wider process(es). Still, not all companies have truly embraced process (flow) or they have adopted it in it's most bureaucratic form (think ISO). "Understanding the Job" actually means "Understand the System" (functional or dysfunctional) Rummler and Brache have some great tools for doing just that as you have eloquently posted on in the past. Tom Hi Dave;
I have no quibble with your quibble. Jobs or roles should be derived from and serve the wider process(es). Still, not all companies have truly embraced process (flow) or they have adopted it in it’s most bureaucratic form (think ISO). “Understanding the Job” actually means “Understand the System” (functional or dysfunctional) Rummler and Brache have some great tools for doing just that as you have eloquently posted on in the past.

Tom

]]> By: Dave Ferguson http://www.jarche.com/2009/06/integrating-learning-and-work/comment-page-1/#comment-188678 Dave Ferguson Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:41:26 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2601#comment-188678 Tom's got a great model, though I think there are many people who see themselves in "the training field" who might not recognize it. The training=courses model is alive, if not well, for a vast swath of the workplace. The biggest quibble I have with "understand the job" is that someone might take it to mean "the individual's part," when it's clear from Tom's elaboration that he means the larger process into which my job fits. (In other words, "quibble" was just an excuse for me to make this point.) Really, it's the larger <b>processes</b>, because even in traditional contexts like manufacturing, an individual and his workgroup have roles in more than one organization process. Tom’s got a great model, though I think there are many people who see themselves in “the training field” who might not recognize it. The training=courses model is alive, if not well, for a vast swath of the workplace.

The biggest quibble I have with “understand the job” is that someone might take it to mean “the individual’s part,” when it’s clear from Tom’s elaboration that he means the larger process into which my job fits. (In other words, “quibble” was just an excuse for me to make this point.)

Really, it’s the larger processes, because even in traditional contexts like manufacturing, an individual and his workgroup have roles in more than one organization process.

]]> By: Harold Jarche http://www.jarche.com/2009/06/integrating-learning-and-work/comment-page-1/#comment-188674 Harold Jarche Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:53:43 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2601#comment-188674 Thanks for the comment, Tom, and congratulations to Sarah (at least Michigan isn't too far from home). You've definitely hit the ground running with your blog - well-done! Thanks for the comment, Tom, and congratulations to Sarah (at least Michigan isn’t too far from home). You’ve definitely hit the ground running with your blog – well-done!

]]> By: Tom Gram http://www.jarche.com/2009/06/integrating-learning-and-work/comment-page-1/#comment-188673 Tom Gram Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:31:31 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=2601#comment-188673 Hi Harold, Thanks for highlighting the strategies. Most of them have been around for many years. I think learning professionals are still expected to (and are rewarded for) providing traditional training. It's changing though. A little more leadership and successes using these approaches and others will move things along even further...maybe into the jobless world you suggest ;). BTW Sarah graduated UofT yesterday. She's heading to U of Michigan for PhD program. Time flies! Hi Harold,
Thanks for highlighting the strategies. Most of them have been around for many years. I think learning professionals are still expected to (and are rewarded for) providing traditional training. It’s changing though. A little more leadership and successes using these approaches and others will move things along even further…maybe into the jobless world you suggest ;) . BTW Sarah graduated UofT yesterday. She’s heading to U of Michigan for PhD program. Time flies!

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