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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be useless in the end, but how much time do you want to spend in court? I just avoid these kinds of clauses at the onset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be useless in the end, but how much time do you want to spend in court? I just avoid these kinds of clauses at the onset.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Conde</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2008/08/you-do-not-own-me/comment-page-1/#comment-185877</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Conde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have no legal legs. I know, as I took my Hawk Communications non-compete clause to a lawyer and she said it was useless. I called them and told them I&#039;d be working for their competition and they did nothing. Non-compete clauses are a way for companies to intimidate people. Nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have no legal legs. I know, as I took my Hawk Communications non-compete clause to a lawyer and she said it was useless. I called them and told them I&#8217;d be working for their competition and they did nothing. Non-compete clauses are a way for companies to intimidate people. Nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2008/08/you-do-not-own-me/comment-page-1/#comment-185501</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts exactly, Karyn. How would I be able to work in my chosen field? On top of that, I had more experience in e-learning than this company did. I thought most people would think this way, but many have signed these agreements in the past. 

At my previous employer, +5 years ago, I had a similar clause and it was a real pain after I left, as I didn&#039;t want the legal hassles. Luckily they went bankrupt soon after I left, so it never became an issue. However, I&#039;ve learned to avoid these clauses.

BTW, my last comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts exactly, Karyn. How would I be able to work in my chosen field? On top of that, I had more experience in e-learning than this company did. I thought most people would think this way, but many have signed these agreements in the past. </p>
<p>At my previous employer, +5 years ago, I had a similar clause and it was a real pain after I left, as I didn&#8217;t want the legal hassles. Luckily they went bankrupt soon after I left, so it never became an issue. However, I&#8217;ve learned to avoid these clauses.</p>
<p>BTW, my last comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek <img src='http://www.jarche.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Karyn Romeis</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2008/08/you-do-not-own-me/comment-page-1/#comment-185500</link>
		<dc:creator>Karyn Romeis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harold, I would never sign a contract that included a clause like that. Whatever field I work in, the best opportunities for career progression are going to be with a competitor. Good grief - where else would I go?

Most organisations have some form of restraint of trade agreement, but there are usually ways around them. I will say though, that, when my current boss thought my ex-boss (who has gone to a competitor) was trying to headhunt me, he got distinctly ruffled about it, so I suspect there might be a clause against him poaching staff - but not against my going to work there, if that makes any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold, I would never sign a contract that included a clause like that. Whatever field I work in, the best opportunities for career progression are going to be with a competitor. Good grief &#8211; where else would I go?</p>
<p>Most organisations have some form of restraint of trade agreement, but there are usually ways around them. I will say though, that, when my current boss thought my ex-boss (who has gone to a competitor) was trying to headhunt me, he got distinctly ruffled about it, so I suspect there might be a clause against him poaching staff &#8211; but not against my going to work there, if that makes any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2008/08/you-do-not-own-me/comment-page-1/#comment-185497</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far no comments about the value of non-compete clauses. Must be a radical bunch reading this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far no comments about the value of non-compete clauses. Must be a radical bunch reading this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Karyn Romeis</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2008/08/you-do-not-own-me/comment-page-1/#comment-185490</link>
		<dc:creator>Karyn Romeis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make me think of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lyrics007.com/print.php?id=TlRZd01EUT0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bette Midler song&lt;/a&gt;, which includes the lines: 

You don&#039;t own me
Don&#039;t try to change me in anyway
You don&#039;t own me
Don&#039;t tie me down, cos I&#039;ll never stay

I don&#039;t tell you what to say
I don&#039;t tell you what to do
So just let me be myself
That&#039;s all I ask of you

Even if someone pays my salary, they don&#039;t own me, any more than I own the cab driver who takes me from the station to the meeting, or the plumber who unblocks my drain. It&#039;s payment due for services rendered. The employment contract is a bit like an indefinite SLA, in a way. In the UK, employment law is somewhat more in favour of the employee than seems to be the case elsewhere - especially the US, from what I can gather.

That said, just this very day I was thinking that, in all sincerity, my raison d&#039;etre is to serve people. I never feel more content, more fulfilled than when I am allowed to make someone&#039;s life (or even just immediate circumstances) better. I can&#039;t remember who it was (a great American poet, I seem to recall) who said &quot;We are put here to help others. I&#039;m not sure what the others are here for.&quot;

So, let the eye-rollers roll their cynical eyes. You don&#039;t own me, but I choose to serve.

How d&#039;you like them apples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make me think of the <a href="http://www.lyrics007.com/print.php?id=TlRZd01EUT0" rel="nofollow">Bette Midler song</a>, which includes the lines: </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t own me<br />
Don&#8217;t try to change me in anyway<br />
You don&#8217;t own me<br />
Don&#8217;t tie me down, cos I&#8217;ll never stay</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t tell you what to say<br />
I don&#8217;t tell you what to do<br />
So just let me be myself<br />
That&#8217;s all I ask of you</p>
<p>Even if someone pays my salary, they don&#8217;t own me, any more than I own the cab driver who takes me from the station to the meeting, or the plumber who unblocks my drain. It&#8217;s payment due for services rendered. The employment contract is a bit like an indefinite SLA, in a way. In the UK, employment law is somewhat more in favour of the employee than seems to be the case elsewhere &#8211; especially the US, from what I can gather.</p>
<p>That said, just this very day I was thinking that, in all sincerity, my raison d&#8217;etre is to serve people. I never feel more content, more fulfilled than when I am allowed to make someone&#8217;s life (or even just immediate circumstances) better. I can&#8217;t remember who it was (a great American poet, I seem to recall) who said &#8220;We are put here to help others. I&#8217;m not sure what the others are here for.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, let the eye-rollers roll their cynical eyes. You don&#8217;t own me, but I choose to serve.</p>
<p>How d&#8217;you like them apples?</p>
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		<title>By: Michele Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha--indentured servitude is right and exactly why I have avoided salaried employment for most of the past 10 years. 

I did have occasion to speak to a lawyer following one unfortunate instance where I accepted employment and was told that non-competes are notoriously difficult to enforce and the greater the geographic radius and the longer the time limit, the harder they are to make stick. Unfortunately I think companies count on the fear factor that takes hold when most people sign a non-compete. I&#039;m not sure that they intend to actually chase after a person as much as bully employees into assuming that the clause is enforceable and therefore something by which they must abide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha&#8211;indentured servitude is right and exactly why I have avoided salaried employment for most of the past 10 years. </p>
<p>I did have occasion to speak to a lawyer following one unfortunate instance where I accepted employment and was told that non-competes are notoriously difficult to enforce and the greater the geographic radius and the longer the time limit, the harder they are to make stick. Unfortunately I think companies count on the fear factor that takes hold when most people sign a non-compete. I&#8217;m not sure that they intend to actually chase after a person as much as bully employees into assuming that the clause is enforceable and therefore something by which they must abide.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Cross</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2008/08/you-do-not-own-me/comment-page-1/#comment-185484</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-compete clauses have always been tough to enforce in California, a legacy of our free-lance culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-compete clauses have always been tough to enforce in California, a legacy of our free-lance culture.</p>
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		<title>By: ismael</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2008/08/you-do-not-own-me/comment-page-1/#comment-185476</link>
		<dc:creator>ismael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a (growingly) Network Society, and in the field of knowledge workers, these kind of clauses (or attitudes) do make less and less sense.

This is the best way to cut your links from the network and become an isolated node of it. Hence, to be thrown out of the network at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a (growingly) Network Society, and in the field of knowledge workers, these kind of clauses (or attitudes) do make less and less sense.</p>
<p>This is the best way to cut your links from the network and become an isolated node of it. Hence, to be thrown out of the network at all.</p>
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