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		<title>By: Dave&#8217;s Whiteboard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ups and downs of performance support</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave&#8217;s Whiteboard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ups and downs of performance support</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarche, who knows what he&#8217;s talking about, wrote the other day about keeping learning and performance in balance.   In passing, he linked to an insightful post by Jay Cross, &#8220;Whatever happened [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jarche, who knows what he&#8217;s talking about, wrote the other day about keeping learning and performance in balance.   In passing, he linked to an insightful post by Jay Cross, &#8220;Whatever happened [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Full Circle Associates &#187; Onramps to online engagement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Full Circle Associates &#187; Onramps to online engagement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Again Harold&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche &#187; The Training Department in the 21st Century</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche &#187; The Training Department in the 21st Century</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Perspectives conference and have been developing my presentation, which is based on this post and a previous one, on the changing role of training. The presentation is scheduled for one hour but I have taken the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Learning Pulse &#124; Xyleme Learning Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Learning Pulse &#124; Xyleme Learning Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarche: Employees want learning, managers want performance; can&#8217;t we all just get [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche &#187; Edge Thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche &#187; Edge Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Knowledge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Training and Development Model for the 21 Century on Learning and Performance in BalanceEric Frank on Changing the publishing modelHarold Jarche on Changing the publishing modelDaniel [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Design of Knowledge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Training and Development Model for the 21 Century</title>
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		<dc:creator>Design of Knowledge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Training and Development Model for the 21 Century</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarche has two intriguing postings about his revisioning of training and performance for organizations in the 21st Century.  Great [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche &#187; Changing the training and development role in the 21st C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche &#187; Changing the training and development role in the 21st C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andrew on SmartDraw 2007Philipe on Language learning leads the wayDave Ferguson on Learning and Performance in BalanceKaryn Romeis on Learning and Performance in BalanceMartin Roberts on Learning and Performance in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, I agree with a lot of what you&#039;re saying, Harold.  The world of performance at work has been on a long journey for nearly fifty years, from do-as-I-do to do-as-schools-do to Mager&#039;s behavioral objectives to performance and performance support.

And both organizations and individuals are at many different points along that journey.

I think it&#039;s an oversimplification to say that &quot;a complex work environment&quot; means &quot;innovation is more important than following established procedures.&quot;  Manufacturing and processing, which deal with atoms as well as bits, aren&#039;t going to disappear.  

If they do, say goodbye to your computer, your vitamins, your medication, your power grid -- and your bicycle.  

Of course innovation matters.  To see what happens when it stops, take a look at Detroit, where Chrysler&#039;s market share has dropped below 10% and GM has managed to lose more market share than Ford ever had.

At the same time, both manufacturing and processing increasingly depend on precision, which demands standardization, which demands procedures.  

The individual worker, even on the pharmaceutical packaging lines I worked at recently, can and will come up with effective ways to alter, expand, or replace procedures.  But that individual can&#039;t implement them at will.

That worker would, however, be grateful to have some help in makign more rational her company&#039;s current methods for helping her acquire new skills and apply new procedures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, I agree with a lot of what you&#8217;re saying, Harold.  The world of performance at work has been on a long journey for nearly fifty years, from do-as-I-do to do-as-schools-do to Mager&#8217;s behavioral objectives to performance and performance support.</p>
<p>And both organizations and individuals are at many different points along that journey.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s an oversimplification to say that &#8220;a complex work environment&#8221; means &#8220;innovation is more important than following established procedures.&#8221;  Manufacturing and processing, which deal with atoms as well as bits, aren&#8217;t going to disappear.  </p>
<p>If they do, say goodbye to your computer, your vitamins, your medication, your power grid &#8212; and your bicycle.  </p>
<p>Of course innovation matters.  To see what happens when it stops, take a look at Detroit, where Chrysler&#8217;s market share has dropped below 10% and GM has managed to lose more market share than Ford ever had.</p>
<p>At the same time, both manufacturing and processing increasingly depend on precision, which demands standardization, which demands procedures.  </p>
<p>The individual worker, even on the pharmaceutical packaging lines I worked at recently, can and will come up with effective ways to alter, expand, or replace procedures.  But that individual can&#8217;t implement them at will.</p>
<p>That worker would, however, be grateful to have some help in makign more rational her company&#8217;s current methods for helping her acquire new skills and apply new procedures.</p>
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		<title>By: Karyn Romeis</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2008/08/learning-and-performance-in-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-185648</link>
		<dc:creator>Karyn Romeis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of what your post addresses has been my own experience, Harold, and I touched on it in &lt;a href=&quot;http://karynromeis.blogspot.com/2008/07/either-it-matters-or-it-doesnt.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;.

However, in response to Martin&#039;s assertion that &quot;the bulk of the learning is informal in delivery and takes the just-in-time approach&quot; I would like to say &quot;I wish!&quot; 

There is just too much just-in-case, sheepdip stuff still around. There is ample evidence that, for many managers in the corporate world, training provision is a box-ticking exercise. When we have put all our staff members through the current hoop-of-the-month and performance/proficiency/on the job behaviour hasn&#039;t changed one iota, we can point to the expensive, whizzy learning programme we put on and sigh about horses and water and stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of what your post addresses has been my own experience, Harold, and I touched on it in <a href="http://karynromeis.blogspot.com/2008/07/either-it-matters-or-it-doesnt.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a>.</p>
<p>However, in response to Martin&#8217;s assertion that &#8220;the bulk of the learning is informal in delivery and takes the just-in-time approach&#8221; I would like to say &#8220;I wish!&#8221; </p>
<p>There is just too much just-in-case, sheepdip stuff still around. There is ample evidence that, for many managers in the corporate world, training provision is a box-ticking exercise. When we have put all our staff members through the current hoop-of-the-month and performance/proficiency/on the job behaviour hasn&#8217;t changed one iota, we can point to the expensive, whizzy learning programme we put on and sigh about horses and water and stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harold,

I think it is courageous of you to attempt to describe the practices found in the field of education with the practices of the corporate world.  As someone who has spent time in both, I am amazed about how polar they are in their approaches and performance indicators.

Within the corporate world, dominated by stakeholder needs, tthe bulk of the learning is informal in delivery and takes the  just-in-time approach.  In the educational world is it more dominated by formal just-in-case learning. This polarity, i think has a fundamental effect on the managemtn dynamics.</description>
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<p>I think it is courageous of you to attempt to describe the practices found in the field of education with the practices of the corporate world.  As someone who has spent time in both, I am amazed about how polar they are in their approaches and performance indicators.</p>
<p>Within the corporate world, dominated by stakeholder needs, tthe bulk of the learning is informal in delivery and takes the  just-in-time approach.  In the educational world is it more dominated by formal just-in-case learning. This polarity, i think has a fundamental effect on the managemtn dynamics.</p>
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