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	<title>Comments on: Instructional Design Needs More Agility</title>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche &#187; Building common ground</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2007/10/instructional-design-needs-more-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-193979</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche &#187; Building common ground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] frameworks, such as wirearchy, and a shift from learning as training &amp; schooling to a more agile approach. Evidence that the old management models are no longer effective abound &#8211; see The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2007/10/instructional-design-needs-more-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-189956</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad I can be of some of some service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I can be of some of some service.</p>
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		<title>By: mk.vani</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2007/10/instructional-design-needs-more-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-189948</link>
		<dc:creator>mk.vani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Harold,
Im an Instructional Design student and your view on Methods really helped me. thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Harold,<br />
Im an Instructional Design student and your view on Methods really helped me. thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche &#187; Perpetual Beta</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2007/10/instructional-design-needs-more-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-187250</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche &#187; Perpetual Beta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] approach to an agile method is difficult. I previously recommended that instructional design adopt agile methods but even in the programming world, letting go of old ways is difficult as Sara Ford at Microsoft [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] approach to an agile method is difficult. I previously recommended that instructional design adopt agile methods but even in the programming world, letting go of old ways is difficult as Sara Ford at Microsoft [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche &#187; Greedy Instructional Design</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2007/10/instructional-design-needs-more-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-185961</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche &#187; Greedy Instructional Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] year I wrote that Instructional Design Needs More Agility, saying that it’s time that the training industry develop its own agile approach or risk becoming [...]</description>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2007/10/instructional-design-needs-more-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-161006</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either method alone leaves a lot to be desired and in the wrong hands can lead to failure. Instructional design concepts are extremely valuable so why throw them away because someone doesn&#039;t understand their value?  Why not use them as a starting point with the understanding that evolution will need to occur to stay relevant? This will save more time than it requires. The evolutionary process for coding may work from the programmers perspective, but I have seen it produce un-usable products for education. Starting with basic instructional design concepts and then evolving is needed. Streamlining the design process and hiring more experienced designers is a better solution than doing without any design, but for some reason it is not common knowledge yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either method alone leaves a lot to be desired and in the wrong hands can lead to failure. Instructional design concepts are extremely valuable so why throw them away because someone doesn&#8217;t understand their value?  Why not use them as a starting point with the understanding that evolution will need to occur to stay relevant? This will save more time than it requires. The evolutionary process for coding may work from the programmers perspective, but I have seen it produce un-usable products for education. Starting with basic instructional design concepts and then evolving is needed. Streamlining the design process and hiring more experienced designers is a better solution than doing without any design, but for some reason it is not common knowledge yet.</p>
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		<title>By: bigidea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Formative Evaluation. How do you do that?</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2007/10/instructional-design-needs-more-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-145627</link>
		<dc:creator>bigidea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Formative Evaluation. How do you do that?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Harold Jarche lobs on time-starved learning pros in recent post. He may be right. His idea is that training should become more like software development. So I looked back to an ASTD Training Scene (June) story by Lisa Neal about formative evaluation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Harold Jarche lobs on time-starved learning pros in recent post. He may be right. His idea is that training should become more like software development. So I looked back to an ASTD Training Scene (June) story by Lisa Neal about formative evaluation. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2007/10/instructional-design-needs-more-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-144977</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In agile methods it is very possible that Instructional Design as most people understand it could, for all practical purposes, disappear. 

In many cases YAGNI (You Aint Gonna Need It) will apply. No instructional design ... just evolution and adjustment.

It takes a while to understand the Agile Paradigm. 

Gilbert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In agile methods it is very possible that Instructional Design as most people understand it could, for all practical purposes, disappear. </p>
<p>In many cases YAGNI (You Aint Gonna Need It) will apply. No instructional design &#8230; just evolution and adjustment.</p>
<p>It takes a while to understand the Agile Paradigm. </p>
<p>Gilbert</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Deutsch</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2007/10/instructional-design-needs-more-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-144377</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Deutsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Harold. I&#039;m a programmer, and my first job was building business learning simulations at a consulting company (SMG Inc, Philadelphia, now a subsidiary of ) which was completely Waterfall-oriented. 

Not only does Waterfall result in projects that are obsolete by the time they are done, it is a recipe for tension between the clients and the consultants. It all comes from the developers trying to lock down the specifications and make it as costly as possible to change anything.  I&#039;m looking into Agile project methods in my current job, and I can&#039;t wait to try a new approach to that area.

@ Gilbert, the function of Instructional Design doesn&#039;t go away in Agile methods.  It just becomes one role of the development team, and it contributes the ID perspective incrementally along the way instead of all up front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Harold. I&#8217;m a programmer, and my first job was building business learning simulations at a consulting company (SMG Inc, Philadelphia, now a subsidiary of ) which was completely Waterfall-oriented. </p>
<p>Not only does Waterfall result in projects that are obsolete by the time they are done, it is a recipe for tension between the clients and the consultants. It all comes from the developers trying to lock down the specifications and make it as costly as possible to change anything.  I&#8217;m looking into Agile project methods in my current job, and I can&#8217;t wait to try a new approach to that area.</p>
<p>@ Gilbert, the function of Instructional Design doesn&#8217;t go away in Agile methods.  It just becomes one role of the development team, and it contributes the ID perspective incrementally along the way instead of all up front.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.jarche.com/2007/10/instructional-design-needs-more-agility/comment-page-1/#comment-144358</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thing Jay makes a good point here.  I know I never have time to carefully/slowly progress through the waterfall. Due to short, dynamic time constraints in conjunction with the complexity involved; the process is much more like a washing machine than a waterfall. (To borrow someone else&#039;s analogy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thing Jay makes a good point here.  I know I never have time to carefully/slowly progress through the waterfall. Due to short, dynamic time constraints in conjunction with the complexity involved; the process is much more like a washing machine than a waterfall. (To borrow someone else&#8217;s analogy.)</p>
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