Comments on: e-Learning 2.0 with Stephen Downes (IIL07) http://www.jarche.com/2007/09/e-learning-20-with-stephen-downes-iil07/ Life in Perpetual Beta Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:59:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: IIL07FirstTimer http://www.jarche.com/2007/09/e-learning-20-with-stephen-downes-iil07/comment-page-1/#comment-142476 IIL07FirstTimer Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:10:15 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1312#comment-142476 The back channel actually deceased the value of the talk, people were either trying to outdue previous comments or try to read them and stopped listening to the presentaiton. Harold, your comment counteracts a key concept of learning,people can't read and listen at the same time, they have to make a choice. Maybe people are used to it (like multitasking) but the effectiveness in which they do multiple things is very poor. Did you notice the difference during the final key note given by jay cross...simply asking users to login caused the comments to cease (with one exception) So while the new toy concept may hold true, people like to be anonymous more than they lead on and it really showed that the back-channel concept had zero value. And this is a human thing, it has nothing to do with learning...prepare a class to go along the same lines and it's effectiveness will be zero. Not great when people pay 16-30k for an hour of custom elearning content creation. No ROI, means no repeat business.. On a larger note, the presenters tried to be TOO cutting edge and ended up alienating a large chunk of participats. While Jay may have blogged that 99% received value, I would argue that by the time that question was asked the audience was 1/2 so really, less than 50% of the users thought they got their money's worth, or stayed long enough to voice an opinion either way.. The back channel actually deceased the value of the talk, people were either trying to outdue previous comments or try to read them and stopped listening to the presentaiton. Harold, your comment counteracts a key concept of learning,people can’t read and listen at the same time, they have to make a choice. Maybe people are used to it (like multitasking) but the effectiveness in which they do multiple things is very poor. Did you notice the difference during the final key note given by jay cross…simply asking users to login caused the comments to cease (with one exception) So while the new toy concept may hold true, people like to be anonymous more than they lead on and it really showed that the back-channel concept had zero value. And this is a human thing, it has nothing to do with learning…prepare a class to go along the same lines and it’s effectiveness will be zero. Not great when people pay 16-30k for an hour of custom elearning content creation. No ROI, means no repeat business..
On a larger note, the presenters tried to be TOO cutting edge and ended up alienating a large chunk of participats. While Jay may have blogged that 99% received value, I would argue that by the time that question was asked the audience was 1/2 so really, less than 50% of the users thought they got their money’s worth, or stayed long enough to voice an opinion either way..

]]> By: Harold http://www.jarche.com/2007/09/e-learning-20-with-stephen-downes-iil07/comment-page-1/#comment-141719 Harold Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:21:39 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1312#comment-141719 <p>Remember when people first got an e-mail account and they sent jokes to everyone they knew? I found the comments today were like kids playing with a new toy. In time, people will settle down with a new technology. Most online fora have a "bit" more serious back channel because everyone is used to it.</p> Remember when people first got an e-mail account and they sent jokes to everyone they knew? I found the comments today were like kids playing with a new toy. In time, people will settle down with a new technology. Most online fora have a “bit” more serious back channel because everyone is used to it.

]]> By: Christine Martell http://www.jarche.com/2007/09/e-learning-20-with-stephen-downes-iil07/comment-page-1/#comment-141716 Christine Martell Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:05:41 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1312#comment-141716 Nice to meet you at the opening reception. As to the back channel at Stephens presentation, I was surprised at how many people seemed to feel the need to broadcast things that didn't add to the conversation. I think it also would have been interesting if the comments just went to Stephen. Did the back channel add any value for you? Nice to meet you at the opening reception.

As to the back channel at Stephens presentation, I was surprised at how many people seemed to feel the need to broadcast things that didn’t add to the conversation.

I think it also would have been interesting if the comments just went to Stephen.

Did the back channel add any value for you?

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