Comments on: All you need to know about elearning? http://www.jarche.com/2007/06/all-you-need-to-know-about-elearning/ Life in Perpetual Beta Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:59:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Harold Jarche » Instruments of Restraint http://www.jarche.com/2007/06/all-you-need-to-know-about-elearning/comment-page-1/#comment-201792 Harold Jarche » Instruments of Restraint Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:17:31 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1213#comment-201792 [...] any technology can be a learning technology, I wrote a while back. It’s how it’s used, not what is [...] [...] any technology can be a learning technology, I wrote a while back. It’s how it’s used, not what is [...]

]]> By: Brent Schlenker http://www.jarche.com/2007/06/all-you-need-to-know-about-elearning/comment-page-1/#comment-136799 Brent Schlenker Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:56:28 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1213#comment-136799 Consider what Dr. Conrad Gottfredson calls the “Five Moments of Learning Need” below: 1. When Learning for the First Time 2. When Wanting to Learn More 3. When Trying to Remember 4. When Things Change 5. When Something Goes Wrong Karyn and all - Perhaps this would help. This isn't eLearning jargon voodoo. Its plain english that even execs, or clients, will understand. I think if we show the connections between these 5 items and Learning2.0 we will begin to see doors opening instead of closing. I always want to point out some of my own presetations on RSS. My schtick is this - RSS: The New Learning Pipeline. Web2.0 enables content consumption, creation, and delivery already. So why is it that so many have such a difficult time seeing that designing for these technologies is a good thing. Its not just that these tools exist, but the potential is in what they allow us to DO. Its up to US the designers to design learning that includes utilizes this new web framework to our advantage. The last thing I want to see is is an LMS vendor recreating Facebook. Create an LMS that works WITH a Facebook APP, Twitter, wikipedia, etc.??? Now you've got my attention. thanks for letting me ramble here. Consider what Dr. Conrad Gottfredson calls the
“Five Moments of Learning Need” below:
1. When Learning for the First Time
2. When Wanting to Learn More
3. When Trying to Remember
4. When Things Change
5. When Something Goes Wrong

Karyn and all – Perhaps this would help. This isn’t eLearning jargon voodoo. Its plain english that even execs, or clients, will understand. I think if we show the connections between these 5 items and Learning2.0 we will begin to see doors opening instead of closing.

I always want to point out some of my own presetations on RSS. My schtick is this – RSS: The New Learning Pipeline. Web2.0 enables content consumption, creation, and delivery already. So why is it that so many have such a difficult time seeing that designing for these technologies is a good thing. Its not just that these tools exist, but the potential is in what they allow us to DO. Its up to US the designers to design learning that includes utilizes this new web framework to our advantage.

The last thing I want to see is is an LMS vendor recreating Facebook. Create an LMS that works WITH a Facebook APP, Twitter, wikipedia, etc.???
Now you’ve got my attention.

thanks for letting me ramble here.

]]> By: Harold Jarche » Learning 2.0 value chain http://www.jarche.com/2007/06/all-you-need-to-know-about-elearning/comment-page-1/#comment-131048 Harold Jarche » Learning 2.0 value chain Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:45:18 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1213#comment-131048 [...] made my comments last week about R/WW’s All you need to know about e-learning 2.0, and the discussion has been [...] [...] made my comments last week about R/WW’s All you need to know about e-learning 2.0, and the discussion has been [...]

]]> By: OLDaily[中文版] » 2007 » June » 24 http://www.jarche.com/2007/06/all-you-need-to-know-about-elearning/comment-page-1/#comment-130671 OLDaily[中文版] » 2007 » June » 24 Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:20:42 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1213#comment-130671 [...] E-Learning 2.0: 你应该知道的 也许这篇文章不是关于e-learning2.0你应该知道的全部，但却是一个不错的开端，它抓住了“小块松散组合”的特点，引导读者穿行于Elgg以及其他社会性网络工具之中。由此，作者继续更加细致地观察协作的e-learning系统，不过，需要指出，群组工作意义上的“协作”与合作网络意义上的“协作”之间，存在着很大的差异。我想，Harold Jarche的批评正是指向这样的方向。他写道，“我们用来学习的任何技术都是框架性的……学习发生在个体之间，通常作为人们之间社会性互动的结果存在。”Richard MacManus, Read/Write Web June 22, 2007 [原文链接] [Tags: Interaction, E-Learning 2.0, Networks, Online Learning] [参与评论] [...] [...] E-Learning 2.0: 你应该知道的 也许这篇文章不是关于e-learning2.0你应该知道的全部，但却是一个不错的开端，它抓住了“小块松散组合”的特点，引导读者穿行于Elgg以及其他社会性网络工具之中。由此，作者继续更加细致地观察协作的e-learning系统，不过，需要指出，群组工作意义上的“协作”与合作网络意义上的“协作”之间，存在着很大的差异。我想，Harold Jarche的批评正是指向这样的方向。他写道，“我们用来学习的任何技术都是框架性的……学习发生在个体之间，通常作为人们之间社会性互动的结果存在。”Richard MacManus, Read/Write Web June 22, 2007 [原文链接] [Tags: Interaction, E-Learning 2.0, Networks, Online Learning] [参与评论] [...]

]]> By: Dave F. http://www.jarche.com/2007/06/all-you-need-to-know-about-elearning/comment-page-1/#comment-130667 Dave F. Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:07:13 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1213#comment-130667 Peter Block in <i>Flawless Consulting</i> identifies three roles that consultants choose (or that clients choose for them): <b>The Expert</b> -- the client has neither time nor expertise. You, the consultant, find out what's wrong, then fix it. <b>The Pair of Hands</b> -- the client believes he understands the problem and its causes, knows what he wants done. You, the consultant, do what the client tells you to. <b>The Collaborative Role</b> -- the consultant applies his skill to helping the manager solve probelms (rather than solving them <i>for</i> the manager. This post was a good nudge for me to revisit Block, who makes a lot of sense and understands a lot of nuance. Peter Block in Flawless Consulting identifies three roles that consultants choose (or that clients choose for them):

The Expert — the client has neither time nor expertise. You, the consultant, find out what’s wrong, then fix it.

The Pair of Hands — the client believes he understands the problem and its causes, knows what he wants done. You, the consultant, do what the client tells you to.

The Collaborative Role — the consultant applies his skill to helping the manager solve probelms (rather than solving them for the manager.

This post was a good nudge for me to revisit Block, who makes a lot of sense and understands a lot of nuance.

]]> By: Harold http://www.jarche.com/2007/06/all-you-need-to-know-about-elearning/comment-page-1/#comment-130653 Harold Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:53:20 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1213#comment-130653 "The principal difference between a salesman and a consultant is that a salesman believes 'the customer is always right'. But a consultant is paid to tell you the truth even when you don't want to hear it. People either love or hate a consultant." As a consultant, your job is say the stuff that those inside the organisation cannot say. Of course, that can result in fewer clients, as I know too well. “The principal difference between a salesman and a consultant is that a salesman believes ‘the customer is always right’. But a consultant is paid to tell you the truth even when you don’t want to hear it. People either love or hate a consultant.”

As a consultant, your job is say the stuff that those inside the organisation cannot say. Of course, that can result in fewer clients, as I know too well.

]]> By: Karyn Romeis http://www.jarche.com/2007/06/all-you-need-to-know-about-elearning/comment-page-1/#comment-130615 Karyn Romeis Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:02:13 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1213#comment-130615 "My own response is that any technology that we use for learning is a framework and that learning occurs within individuals and often as a result of social interactions between people. Learning does not happen inside the technology." Please come with me to my next client meeting and tell them this - I have tried and failed! “My own response is that any technology that we use for learning is a framework and that learning occurs within individuals and often as a result of social interactions between people. Learning does not happen inside the technology.”

Please come with me to my next client meeting and tell them this – I have tried and failed!

]]> By: Dave F. http://www.jarche.com/2007/06/all-you-need-to-know-about-elearning/comment-page-1/#comment-130573 Dave F. Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:44:15 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=1213#comment-130573 <b>Learning does not happen inside the technology.</b> Good to hang over the vendor area at a conference. Or above your desk. Years ago, the late Claude Lineberry gave a rousing presentation to the ISPI Potomac Chapter. He showed some transparencies (I <i>said</i> it was years ago), then sketched something on a flipchart. Interrupting himself, he said, "Notice -- this is now multimedia." Claude also said, back when everyone was attaching the platter-sized laser disks to IBM PCs to create "learning stations," "CBT isn't the answer. CBT is a question." Learning does not happen inside the technology.

Good to hang over the vendor area at a conference. Or above your desk.

Years ago, the late Claude Lineberry gave a rousing presentation to the ISPI Potomac Chapter. He showed some transparencies (I said it was years ago), then sketched something on a flipchart.

Interrupting himself, he said, “Notice — this is now multimedia.”

Claude also said, back when everyone was attaching the platter-sized laser disks to IBM PCs to create “learning stations,” “CBT isn’t the answer. CBT is a question.”

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