Comments on: Elgg and the LMS Patent http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/ Learning & Working on the Web Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:54:41 -0300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: How the Blackboard patent might not effect Elgg | Running in parallel http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/comment-page-1/#comment-186157 How the Blackboard patent might not effect Elgg | Running in parallel Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:34:10 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=859#comment-186157 [...] Elgg and the LMS patent A reasonable person could not interpret the following 44 points as applying to the Elgg Learning Landscape. Elgg uses a completely different model than most online learning systems. It does not use content (e.g. course) as the basic building block, but rather the individual person. [...] [...] Elgg and the LMS patent A reasonable person could not interpret the following 44 points as applying to the Elgg Learning Landscape. Elgg uses a completely different model than most online learning systems. It does not use content (e.g. course) as the basic building block, but rather the individual person. [...]

]]> By: Hal http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/comment-page-1/#comment-63943 Hal Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:39:03 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=859#comment-63943 Check out the history of virtual learning environments at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_virtual_learning_environments Use "find" to locate my posting for Knowledge Navigators International Check out the history of virtual learning environments at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_virtual_learning_environments

Use “find” to locate my posting for Knowledge Navigators International

]]> By: Harold Jarche » USPTO to re-examine Blackboard patent filing http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/comment-page-1/#comment-63661 Harold Jarche » USPTO to re-examine Blackboard patent filing Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:20:42 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=859#comment-63661 [...] Here’s an overview of the patent application as well as a subsequent comparison with Elgg’s functions that I did last [...] [...] Here’s an overview of the patent application as well as a subsequent comparison with Elgg’s functions that I did last [...]

]]> By: Teemu Arina http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/comment-page-1/#comment-8732 Teemu Arina Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:07:11 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=859#comment-8732 Well, maybe not Blackboard but the upcoming social software patents will be a problem. See my blog for one example. Well, maybe not Blackboard but the upcoming social software patents will be a problem. See my blog for one example.

]]> By: eLearning Skinny » Blog Archive » Harold Jarche » Elgg and the LMS Patent http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/comment-page-1/#comment-8603 eLearning Skinny » Blog Archive » Harold Jarche » Elgg and the LMS Patent Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:20:56 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=859#comment-8603 [...] Harold Jarche posted a good analysis yesterday on why he thinks the Blackboard patent does not apply to the increasingly popular online learning tool Elgg. [...] [...] Harold Jarche posted a good analysis yesterday on why he thinks the Blackboard patent does not apply to the increasingly popular online learning tool Elgg. [...]

]]> By: Harold http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/comment-page-1/#comment-8559 Harold Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:50:04 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=859#comment-8559 Thanks, Dave, I appreciate the vote of confidence. Unfortunately, I don't know if we could do the same analysis for the other LMS that you mention, because they're all course-based. The initial statement in the patent application, "A course-based system for providing to an educational community of users access to a plurality of online courses, ..." is quite all-encompassing. It still boils down to the fact that the USPTO did not do its homework and is leaving it to the courts to decide. I hope that Canada does not follow suit. Thanks, Dave, I appreciate the vote of confidence.

Unfortunately, I don’t know if we could do the same analysis for the other LMS that you mention, because they’re all course-based. The initial statement in the patent application, “A course-based system for providing to an educational community of users access to a plurality of online courses, …” is quite all-encompassing.

It still boils down to the fact that the USPTO did not do its homework and is leaving it to the courts to decide. I hope that Canada does not follow suit.

]]> By: Dave Lee http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/comment-page-1/#comment-8547 Dave Lee Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:28:05 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=859#comment-8547 Harold: Awesome analysis. I disagree with you only in your "angels on the head of a pin" analogy. Having a learning professional explain exactly how Elgg works and doesn't fall under Blackboard's patents is very important. No attorney would ever look at Elgg or any other learning system and understand it to the depth necessary. (That's probably why the patent got approved in the first place.) Hopefully every attorney who ends up defending Elgg, Moodle, Sakai, Desire2Learn, etc. will have this post as a reference. To that end, I'm going to set a link and trackback from my blogs and reccommend everyone else do the same to make sure that this post comes up high in an attorney's google search. Harold:
Awesome analysis. I disagree with you only in your “angels on the head of a pin” analogy. Having a learning professional explain exactly how Elgg works and doesn’t fall under Blackboard’s patents is very important. No attorney would ever look at Elgg or any other learning system and understand it to the depth necessary. (That’s probably why the patent got approved in the first place.) Hopefully every attorney who ends up defending Elgg, Moodle, Sakai, Desire2Learn, etc. will have this post as a reference. To that end, I’m going to set a link and trackback from my blogs and reccommend everyone else do the same to make sure that this post comes up high in an attorney’s google search.

]]> By: Bill Fitzgerald http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/comment-page-1/#comment-8500 Bill Fitzgerald Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:13:27 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=859#comment-8500 Harold, Great work on this -- specific, and to the point. Harold,

Great work on this — specific, and to the point.

]]> By: Paul http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/comment-page-1/#comment-8476 Paul Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:10:48 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=859#comment-8476 Thanks Harold. Your work here has really helped me to clarify the position as I try to evaluate Elgg and the patent and whether or not I should proceed to employ it as part of a project I'm developing - part of which is the development of a module for playing back (not creating) SCORM conformant LOs. I no longer believe the BB patent, pernicious as it is, applies in the case of Elgg. Great work. Thanks Harold. Your work here has really helped me to clarify the position as I try to evaluate Elgg and the patent and whether or not I should proceed to employ it as part of a project I’m developing – part of which is the development of a module for playing back (not creating) SCORM conformant LOs. I no longer believe the BB patent, pernicious as it is, applies in the case of Elgg. Great work.

]]> By: Dave http://www.jarche.com/2006/08/elgg-and-the-lms/comment-page-1/#comment-8456 Dave Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:19:13 +0000 http://www.jarche.com/?p=859#comment-8456 Wow - nice work Harold. I appreciate the time you put into this. Thanks. Wow – nice work Harold. I appreciate the time you put into this. Thanks.

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